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| Subject: Princess Azula of the Fire Nation Sat Jun 08, 2013 6:53 pm | |
| Here we can post our love or dislikes for Azula. Basically this is the main thread for anything and everything about Azula.
You can express your dislike for Azula, but please be respectful while expressing. And those who are defending will be respectful too.
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Upon a optional request from our founder, here is the basic overall version of my Azula essay that I wrote for my Psychology 101 class. I'm not posting my whole essay on here because it has a lot of sources from my text book and other scholarly articles that would take a while to read. Initially this paper was written in a response to another Tumblr user when we got into an argument/debate over Azula. The Tumblr user was bashing Azula a lot and saying how much they hated her only based on what was told to us from the series and not looking at it through more character study and other studies that are offered to us in our would. Look at Travis Langley, he has a published book about Batman and Psychology. So without further ado you have the option to read the general overview of my essay on Azula. - Spoiler:
She was casted into the shadows and overlooked by everyone in her family. Here’s how I think why she became the way she had.
First off she’s the only Princess. Being a girl (the only girl) and the youngest already makes her the lesser than her cousin and brother in the eyes of the social standards of their political system. And now onto her family of what made her who she became. Also because she was pushed into the shadows she craved attention and lots of praise.
Keep in mind all of this is my own opinion from my observations of the show and information that was given in official books for Avatar: The Last Airbender.
Azulon: A firebending prodigy himself didn’t find her all that impressive and favored Iroh a lot because since Iroh is his first born SON. And as displayed, he was very concern for Iroh and Lu Ten because by the proper birth right chain, Lu Ten would later succeed Iroh and Iroh would succeed him.
Lu Ten: The next Crowned Prince once his father, Iroh, was supposed to take the throne if everything in the show didn’t get messed up. Not much can be said about his relation with Azula, but since he is the next in line after Iroh he would have gotten the most attention.
Iroh: It was heavily shown in the flashbacks that Iroh paid more attention to Zuko and not Azula. Zuko was given a special pearl dagger from the general who surrendered to Iroh after the Fire Nation broke through the outer wall with a message of, “Never give up without a fight”. While Azula seemed to have been an after thought to him since he got her a doll with the latest Earth Kingdom girl fashion.
Ozai: She was his puppet. Never was it shown that he actually cared about his daughter’s well being. It was all about her doing his dirty work for him all so she could gain acceptance and “love” from her father. She had to work to please him and to get what she wanted. She could have easily ended up just like Zuko if she did all the things her brother did. Since he’s the only one to pay attention to her, even for his own agenda.
Ursa: Went with the tough love approach with her. She was often told not to say something or act a certain way because it was cruel or wrong. When Azula showed off to her grandfather she wasn’t praised by her mother. Her mother was more concerned with Zuko because he wasn’t able to stand up for himself. I think if Ursa paid an equal attention to her as she did Zuko, Azula wouldn’t act the way she does. She picks on Zuko to get her mother’s attention. I also think Azula was trying to call out to Ursa that she needed help. A lot of Azula’s attitude in the series involves her mother as seen in Book 3. What her mother thought of her meant a lot to Azula. She didn’t want to be seen as a monster in her mother’s eyes. She wanted the same unconditional love her mother gave to Zuko and that’s why it probably hurt her to hear the imagination of Ursa say that she truly loved her, it was what Azula really wanted from her mother.
Zuko: He couldn’t tell if he could trust his sister or not. For a long time she was always picking on him or making him question himself and his decisions. In The Beach you can see that they do care about each other if they’re away from their responsibilities as the Prince and Princess. Azula knew where to find Zuko because they both had memories of happier times with their family on Ember Island, but something changed to cause them to be who they are. In Zuko Alone, it shows that they were able to get along and play with each other. Also in a way being the two youngest and the prince and princess they really did only have each other to play with until they had to attend school. Constantly throughout the show Zuko is seen struggling to trust Azula. He does show concern for her though. In The Southern Raiders, he was worried, even if it was a little, she wasn’t going to make it. Also he didn’t have to send her to an asylum, but he did. There could be a chance she recovers, but that’s something we don’t know.
With Mai and Ty Lee, they were her best friends from school. While Azula did set Zuko and Mai up, she didn’t like how she was losing Mai’s attention. Ty Lee was the one who gave her a lot of praise. In The Beach, she was jealous of the attention Ty Lee was getting from all the boys. I don’t think it had anything to do with Azula really wanting a boyfriend, but the attention. Azula seeks praise and attention from what little she got as a child.
By the time Sozin’s Comet arrived she had a lost everything including Fire Lord. Once her father proclaimed himself the Phoenix King all of the meaning for the title ‘Fire Lord’ meant nothing even if she held the title. She would never rule like she had been told she would. Azula probably felt she had never been unconditionally loved or wanted since she had to earn her father’s “love”, she believed her mother thought she was a monster, Iroh obviously favored Zuko and thought little of her, and Zuko was always questioning her motives. Losing Mai and Ty Lee made it worse. They were the last two she had any loyalty from. Mai chose her love for Zuko over the Fire Nation, and in turn Azula. As it was seen in earlier episodes in Book 3, Mai was already questioning Azula when the Princess told her Ty Lee needed help with her braids all so Azula could talk to Zuko alone. Only reason Ty Lee betrayed Azula was to keep the Princess from murdering their other friend. Ty Lee had been shown very loyal to Azula until the very end.
Again it all has to do with attention. If she was given the same amount of attention as Zuko did by Ursa and Iroh, she probably wouldn’t be the way she became. Azula pretty much did not have anyone in her corner. Zuko had Ursa and later Iroh always on his corner helping him, caring about him, and guiding him. Azula wasn’t born the way she was portrayed in the series. Her nurture was stacked against her.
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| | | HanasakuyaWhite Lotus Leader Founder
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| Subject: Re: Princess Azula of the Fire Nation Sat Jun 08, 2013 7:18 pm | |
| Ah. I really like that, yeah. I like how you took spinets of how characters viewed her/treated her and organized it into it what would craft Azula into who she would become/why she is the way that she is.
This is why I ship Tyzula, though. Because even though Azula forced Ty Lee into working with her, I feel that Ty Lee really cared about Azula and Azula truly cared about her. I think Ty Lee would be the one to show Azula how to love and that you don't need to be the strongest, the most powerful, or do any sort of bidding to be loved and people don't need to be or do those things to be loved. I mean after all, Ty Lee was the only person Azula seemed to even slightly treat as a friend. And she apologized to Ty Lee after she made her cry in the episode "The Beach".
The thing that ends up happening in most cases though when it comes to ships and in this case, deciding if Azula really cared about Ty Lee, is that people brush off these small tidbits that Azula does to show she cares about Ty Lee. And it's like, what would people like? Azula cannot do any grand gestures to show she cares. She can't do normal gestures. She can barely do small gestures. Why? Because she doesn't know how. And it links right back to Azula's messed up family and what messed her up as she grew up.
And I think Ursa was probably put into a position where she basically only got one child because Ozai had the other. Meaning, Azula showed promise, therefore she was Ozai's favorite. Therefore, Zuko would be neglected by Ozai because he'd spend all his time "grooming" Azula. Ursa then was "left" with Zuko and took him under her wing. He showed a more gentle, compassionate side from the beginning, which probably also caused the divide with the siblings.
It really is unfortunate. I feel like the root of all Azula's problems are due to the fact that she wasn't shown true love from her family. She was always used for something. Like, Ursa wanted to love her and wanted to help mold her into a wonderful young woman, but Azula was already too far gone with Ozai that nothing Ursa could do or say could really help or show Azula her mother's love. I mean Ursa did have to be tougher, yes, but that was due to the way Ozai was raising her. And I think that Azula began to figure out early on that she wasn't loved by her father but kept denying it to herself. Or kept telling herself that "if I just do x, y, and z, my father will love me and be proud of me". Since she figured Ozai didn't love her, she probably figured Ursa didn't love her either. Especially because Ursa had to be harsher with her than she did Zuko.
The same could probably be said with Iroh...he figured Azula was too far gone but Zuko wasn't. Iroh had also just lost his son, so he basically swept up Zuko in a sense to be a father to since Zuko was basically discarded by Ozai.
And overall, yes, I love Azula because she is so complicated and messed up. But it isn't her fault she's messed up. She's not your stereotypical antagonist because of this. She's just a messed up girl that was guided wrong. I think she has it in her to be a better person and be loving and compassionate -- she just needs to be shown the way. |
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| Subject: Re: Princess Azula of the Fire Nation Sat Jun 08, 2013 7:36 pm | |
| The Beach is a huge indication on Azula's character. She couldn't be a normal teenager because she didn't know how. She was very punctual and rigid like she's supposed to be when in her father's court and in all those war meetings. The standard of the Fire Nation royals is that they're untouchable to their subjects unless they come to you first.
Nightmares and Daydreams is a prime example with Zuko taking the palanquin across from the palace to Mai's place. The servants didn't want him casually walking to Mai's.
With Iroh, I love him because of his experiences to make him the wise sage like character that he is, but I also really don't like him because of his reactions to Azula before Lu Ten's death. I'm going on the idea that it's because of their political and societal structure again (based of old Chinese political and societal) that she wasn't respected at much just because she's a girl and the youngest. When he sent those gifts to them from the front lines, Lu Ten was still alive. It only became worse after Lu Ten died. Even more so after Zuko was banished.
If things didn't get messed up she would never have come close to being crowned Fire Lord. Lu Ten would have been crowned after Iroh and then the royal line and ascension would have continued through Lu Ten. |
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| Subject: Re: Princess Azula of the Fire Nation Tue Jun 11, 2013 9:56 pm | |
| Still a better ruler than Joffery. |
| | | ChmiaWater Chieftess Moderators Councilwoman
Posts : 86 Join date : 2013-06-07 Age : 35
| Subject: Re: Princess Azula of the Fire Nation Tue Jun 11, 2013 10:36 pm | |
| That throne totally fits her!
Is that a Goku emoticon? |
| | | GuestGuest
| Subject: Re: Princess Azula of the Fire Nation Tue Jun 11, 2013 10:38 pm | |
| - Chmia wrote:
- That throne totally fits her!
Is that a Goku emoticon? Apparently, it's part of the default Emoticons. We should get ATLA/LOK Emoticons! |
| | | AeroMageAir Moderator
Title : Heir of Breath Posts : 158 Join date : 2013-06-08 Age : 33 Location : Air Temple Island
| Subject: Re: Princess Azula of the Fire Nation Tue Jun 11, 2013 10:52 pm | |
| But I have to hand it to Azula, for being of such a young age she was excellent at manipulating and of course a firebending prodigy. But again I guess she most likely felt the need to do this to get her father's attention. And even though she is a "bad" guy, I still love her :3 |
| | | HanasakuyaWhite Lotus Leader Founder
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| Subject: Re: Princess Azula of the Fire Nation Tue Jun 11, 2013 11:08 pm | |
| As an off-topic note: we're working on potentially getting ATLA/LoK emoticons; our Media Councilwoman has just been very busy (read: hard at work for us). Some things will be rolled out at different times. |
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